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Deborah K's avatar

I hope that you will bring in an atheist to further state their case. I argue with one sometimes and he assures me that the premises he rests upon are more complicated than a collection of empirically tested certainties.

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jeffreydavidmarcus's avatar

You write,

"By positing God we posit something beyond and behind this realm of contrastivly determined particularity and finitude that is its source. God cannot be put into contrast with anything else, because God is the unitary source from which all these discrete, particular objects in the realm of contrast and separation arise."

This definition of God is also burdened by Western assumptions. Informed by Abrahamic philosophy, the notion of "God as carpenter" remains the metaphysical equal to your atheistic hypothetical counterpart which would simply replace the God of creation with "automatic, spontaneous, random, stupid chance" as being the monolithic source.

A true break from Western philosophy avoids the need to provide a creator in the first place. For example, the Taoists, Hindus, Buddhists, and Confucians all provide alternative understandings of the "universe as construct". In those cases, to ask about a creator, to inquire about events before time, or to frame oneself as "separate from" everything else are all nonsensical questions.

The atheism you describe is really just monotheism without the godhead. All other properties are preserved. Alan Watts called it, "there is no God and Jesus was his only son"!

For Eastern philosophers who are grappling with these questions we see a fundamentally different angle of analysis. They would say, God didn't create you. There is no separate God. You are God. The trees are God. The stars are God. The cosmos, in this case, is free of God, but more importantly, free from the need to create.

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